CIA Director, William J. Casey, said, “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” Nothing is coincidence - everything is connected.
A distinct possibility. Putin is way more clever than his adversaries realize. I do not take any idealogical sides in this conflict, as there are no good guys in war, and the same people always profit and suffer. I feel this way about all wars.
I was just wondering what if Putin had gone for the long game like China does, where would we be right now? It just makes me wonder if all of this isn't staged? Putin could have rolled over Ukraine like we did Saddam both times. We did it from half way around the world and this is his neighbor. There is way more going on here than what the MSM puts out. At times I think Putin is a participant and role player, and not a guy who really wants to win a war. These are just my weird rambling thoughts. Something here smells real bad. Your thoughts on this idea of mine?
You have it right Bert. Putin could easily have squashed Ukraine but it's a much bigger game-play IMHO. This is all about the dollar and the coming financial collapse which has to happen one day as it did in 2008/9 and 2019, when Larry Fink was in the crisis meeting and admitted that the Fed had run out of tools to manage the money supply.
Yes, me too Linden and I often read him on ZH but thanks for a long word - I had heard of it but never used it, so looked it up: 'Acutely insightful and wise' - yes, spot on. :-) Now I can use yet another word lurking in the back of my mind. I do find, as I grow older, some escape me and I rely on my online dictionary & thesaurus.
LOL, my mom taught me read at 3, with phonics flashcards, I had to learn 3 new words weekly, and loved unusual words! I actually remember learning that word in school.
Glad you like it. It's so rarely that I can express myself with such words, people are so dumbed down these days.
Don't be defeated Linden, there are lots of us around who value such things. I am an only child - I was brought up to the age of 5 by my mother and her parents in a lovely rural cottage on an estate in Stopsley (a village near Luton, Beds). They taught me to read & write at the age of 4.
My Grandfather had a full set of Britannica and read to me every might before bed. He was an engineer/philosopher and gave me much of his great wisdom. My father came back from WW2 in 1949 and that's another long beautiful story.
I have been amazingly privileged having had such a great start in life and I have many stories of my learning from then on. In short, I never looked back. My desire is to give to those who are coming on now and try to pass on some of that remarkable wisdom which is being lost so quickly now.
You're perfectly right that this should have been over a long time ago. The entire NATO cannot win a war against Russia and it's weird that Russia is 'not winning in Ukraine'!
If you actually follow the evolution of this conflict, you'll know why it's still not over yet. Let me share some milestones with you.
1. In 1991, NATO agreed that they'll never expand to the East of Europe. Today, all Eastern European countries are in NATO except for UkroNazistan, Georgia and Moldova.
2. In 2008, NATO declared that UkroNazistan and Georgia will be enslaved too.
Russia said Niet! Niet is Niet.
Senator McCain started the color revolution in Georgia and toppled Eduard Shevardnadze (the last Soviet Foreign Minister!). Russia attacked Georgia and Abkazia and South Ossetia became independent. These are Russian speaking regions of Georgia. - you can see the parallels in UkroNazistan from here.
3. In 2014, McCain repeated the same coup in UkroNazistan to topple a pro-Russian president.
The Russian language started being banned in UkroNazistan and the Russian speaking Ukrainians rebelled against Kiev and there has been civil war since 2014 backed by NATO.
4. Russia only seized Crimea (more than 80% speak Russian) in 2014 because their largest military base was there and the territory was transferred to Ukraine by the USSR when they were reorganizing the USSR regions. They didn't claim it back in 1991 when the USSR collapsed for many reasons one of which is ethnicity. They're all Slavs and that's key to understanding this war.
5. 2 International treaties were signed that would allow Russian speaking Ukrainians to use their language and the Donbas republics to be autonomous within Ukraine. France & Germany guaranteed Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 agreements that were ratified by the UNC meaning that France, Germany and Kiev had to implement the signed treaties.
6. Merkel, Hollande, Porochenko and Zelensky have admitted that the purpose was NEVER to implement the treaties but to give time to NATO to arm UkroNazistan in order to crush the Donbass.
7. The Small Military Operation (SMO) was not intended to destroy the Slav brothers but to force Kiev to implement the treaties. That's why you saw the soft approach of Russia since 2022.
The West thought that it was a weakness and that Russia couldn't do anything and launched their sanctions that backfired and rather crippled the Western economies.
8. People believe that nothing is happening on the frontlines because they don't know the stats about the disaster happening - UkroNazistan has been demilitarized 3 times in less than a year and we're now dealing with their 4th army (~417,000 killed or disabled since Feb 2022, more than 7,000 tanks and armored vehicles destroyed, etc...):
a) On Feb 24, 2022 UkroNazistan still had all the weapons inherited from the USSR including 1000s of tanks. By April, 2022 they were almost all destroyed.
b) NATO then asked all former USSR countries to send their military gear to UkroNazistan and they did. Almost all was destroyed before October by Russia
c) Western countries started sending their own equipment in October - remember the Javelin stories? They were supposed to be game changers. UkroNazistan got the equivalent of 7 years of production and Russia destroyed all of them.
d) The West is now sending the equipment that they refused to send last year.
Let me tell you something, it's a waste of resources. German Leopard 2 and UK's Challengers have all been challenged in Iraq & Syria by weaker militaries. They're going to be destroyed in UKroNazistan as well.
So, at this point I think Russia is playing chess. They just sit in Donbass and wait for NATO to send all their weapons to be destroyed in situ. Why spend resources moving troop around Ukraine when Ukrainian soldiers are entering the Donbass meat grinder on their own along with NATO military gear. NATO has emptied their warehouses and are now sending ammunition from South Korea and Israel.
Russia is demilitarizing Ukraine and NATO in UkroNazistan. They have time on their side, not NATO!
The war will stop when NATO runs out of ammunition since they have zero industrial capacity to increase production.
NB: The production capacity of PAC2/PAC-3 is 250missiles per YEAR! If they send their Patriot ABM to Donbass, it will be useful for no more than a week and they'll wait for another year to get new missiles. That's how I see this war ending.
This is the best summary I've read 'N'. Thank you very much for clarifying a typical US/NATO FUBAR following AfganSNAFU. The West can only go one way now as the Globalists attacks on their own people seems never ending.
To show you how bad the situation is, below is a list of equipment destroyed by Russia since January 01, 2023 (Total = 597) - that's in less than 2months!
The cost is not mentioned but tanks and armored vehicles cost between $1-6 million!
When they get US Abrams (defeated in Saudi Arabia by the Houthis!) next year, each destroyed tank will cost them (US taxpayer) $10-12million!
Looking around at several local shops yesterday, there is no shortage of tomatoes. Is it possible that there is actually a glut so 'they' are screaming shortage to get us to rush out and buy them? (OK, I've read about Moroccan and Spanish bad weather so I know it isn't true but I'm beginning to doubt anything and everything in the MSM these days)
Me too Greg - it's all crap from MSM. My local store says nothing to bother about - He is well stocked. The owner is a good friend promising to help us out if rationing/shortages really happen. He and his family have local farms - we are well set up in Bruton!
He says the supermarkets have been screwing the producers (as we know well) - holding payables for 120 days etc. This may well be a mini-revolt with the farmers losing it - only his thoughts though.
Those aren't tomatoes, they are some weird gmo lab grown plastic tasting nutrition less physop.
Like I typed, I predict people will start planting tomatoes, some are just more thick headed than others. Except for people living on the island that harbors a demanding city which garners ruthless international trade to feed itself. None of those types want to get their finger nails dirty.
A distinct possibility. Putin is way more clever than his adversaries realize. I do not take any idealogical sides in this conflict, as there are no good guys in war, and the same people always profit and suffer. I feel this way about all wars.
Thanks for your well thought out reply.
I was just wondering what if Putin had gone for the long game like China does, where would we be right now? It just makes me wonder if all of this isn't staged? Putin could have rolled over Ukraine like we did Saddam both times. We did it from half way around the world and this is his neighbor. There is way more going on here than what the MSM puts out. At times I think Putin is a participant and role player, and not a guy who really wants to win a war. These are just my weird rambling thoughts. Something here smells real bad. Your thoughts on this idea of mine?
You have it right Bert. Putin could easily have squashed Ukraine but it's a much bigger game-play IMHO. This is all about the dollar and the coming financial collapse which has to happen one day as it did in 2008/9 and 2019, when Larry Fink was in the crisis meeting and admitted that the Fed had run out of tools to manage the money supply.
Covid merely bought time, they are hoping enough time to get CBDCs actioned as the crisis unfolds and bail-ins are activated. CHS knows the score: http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2020/08/heres-why-impossible-economic-collapse.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+google%2FRzFQ+%28oftwominds%29
One of my favorite writers, Mr. Smith! Very deep and perspecacious.
Yes, me too Linden and I often read him on ZH but thanks for a long word - I had heard of it but never used it, so looked it up: 'Acutely insightful and wise' - yes, spot on. :-) Now I can use yet another word lurking in the back of my mind. I do find, as I grow older, some escape me and I rely on my online dictionary & thesaurus.
LOL, my mom taught me read at 3, with phonics flashcards, I had to learn 3 new words weekly, and loved unusual words! I actually remember learning that word in school.
Glad you like it. It's so rarely that I can express myself with such words, people are so dumbed down these days.
Don't be defeated Linden, there are lots of us around who value such things. I am an only child - I was brought up to the age of 5 by my mother and her parents in a lovely rural cottage on an estate in Stopsley (a village near Luton, Beds). They taught me to read & write at the age of 4.
My Grandfather had a full set of Britannica and read to me every might before bed. He was an engineer/philosopher and gave me much of his great wisdom. My father came back from WW2 in 1949 and that's another long beautiful story.
I have been amazingly privileged having had such a great start in life and I have many stories of my learning from then on. In short, I never looked back. My desire is to give to those who are coming on now and try to pass on some of that remarkable wisdom which is being lost so quickly now.
Amen to that .. My upbringing was similar. My grandmother was a great repository of love, wisdom, and real Christian charity.
As I grew older, I could draw on my memories of her wisdom, like jewels from a box. Only later did I realize that they were all Bible-derived.
Wisdom is what is needed, and so rare these days. I'm 75, and it's what I have to give now. I can pass on what she and God gave to me
So sorely needed
I wii check out the link in the morning too tired tonight, but glad I am not imagining all of this.
Welcome to the geopolitics chessboard!
You're perfectly right that this should have been over a long time ago. The entire NATO cannot win a war against Russia and it's weird that Russia is 'not winning in Ukraine'!
If you actually follow the evolution of this conflict, you'll know why it's still not over yet. Let me share some milestones with you.
1. In 1991, NATO agreed that they'll never expand to the East of Europe. Today, all Eastern European countries are in NATO except for UkroNazistan, Georgia and Moldova.
2. In 2008, NATO declared that UkroNazistan and Georgia will be enslaved too.
Russia said Niet! Niet is Niet.
Senator McCain started the color revolution in Georgia and toppled Eduard Shevardnadze (the last Soviet Foreign Minister!). Russia attacked Georgia and Abkazia and South Ossetia became independent. These are Russian speaking regions of Georgia. - you can see the parallels in UkroNazistan from here.
3. In 2014, McCain repeated the same coup in UkroNazistan to topple a pro-Russian president.
The Russian language started being banned in UkroNazistan and the Russian speaking Ukrainians rebelled against Kiev and there has been civil war since 2014 backed by NATO.
4. Russia only seized Crimea (more than 80% speak Russian) in 2014 because their largest military base was there and the territory was transferred to Ukraine by the USSR when they were reorganizing the USSR regions. They didn't claim it back in 1991 when the USSR collapsed for many reasons one of which is ethnicity. They're all Slavs and that's key to understanding this war.
5. 2 International treaties were signed that would allow Russian speaking Ukrainians to use their language and the Donbas republics to be autonomous within Ukraine. France & Germany guaranteed Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 agreements that were ratified by the UNC meaning that France, Germany and Kiev had to implement the signed treaties.
6. Merkel, Hollande, Porochenko and Zelensky have admitted that the purpose was NEVER to implement the treaties but to give time to NATO to arm UkroNazistan in order to crush the Donbass.
7. The Small Military Operation (SMO) was not intended to destroy the Slav brothers but to force Kiev to implement the treaties. That's why you saw the soft approach of Russia since 2022.
The West thought that it was a weakness and that Russia couldn't do anything and launched their sanctions that backfired and rather crippled the Western economies.
8. People believe that nothing is happening on the frontlines because they don't know the stats about the disaster happening - UkroNazistan has been demilitarized 3 times in less than a year and we're now dealing with their 4th army (~417,000 killed or disabled since Feb 2022, more than 7,000 tanks and armored vehicles destroyed, etc...):
a) On Feb 24, 2022 UkroNazistan still had all the weapons inherited from the USSR including 1000s of tanks. By April, 2022 they were almost all destroyed.
b) NATO then asked all former USSR countries to send their military gear to UkroNazistan and they did. Almost all was destroyed before October by Russia
c) Western countries started sending their own equipment in October - remember the Javelin stories? They were supposed to be game changers. UkroNazistan got the equivalent of 7 years of production and Russia destroyed all of them.
d) The West is now sending the equipment that they refused to send last year.
Let me tell you something, it's a waste of resources. German Leopard 2 and UK's Challengers have all been challenged in Iraq & Syria by weaker militaries. They're going to be destroyed in UKroNazistan as well.
So, at this point I think Russia is playing chess. They just sit in Donbass and wait for NATO to send all their weapons to be destroyed in situ. Why spend resources moving troop around Ukraine when Ukrainian soldiers are entering the Donbass meat grinder on their own along with NATO military gear. NATO has emptied their warehouses and are now sending ammunition from South Korea and Israel.
Russia is demilitarizing Ukraine and NATO in UkroNazistan. They have time on their side, not NATO!
The war will stop when NATO runs out of ammunition since they have zero industrial capacity to increase production.
NB: The production capacity of PAC2/PAC-3 is 250missiles per YEAR! If they send their Patriot ABM to Donbass, it will be useful for no more than a week and they'll wait for another year to get new missiles. That's how I see this war ending.
This is the best summary I've read 'N'. Thank you very much for clarifying a typical US/NATO FUBAR following AfganSNAFU. The West can only go one way now as the Globalists attacks on their own people seems never ending.
I should be pleased to post your summary in full - it will be an eye-opener for my UK readers but not so much the Americans as they know the truth anyway - this will actually reinforce their patriotism. ZH got it right yesterday - MSM confused? Perhaps they actually believe their own lies? https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/media-bewildered-russian-economy-projected-grow-2023-despite-nato-sanctions
To show you how bad the situation is, below is a list of equipment destroyed by Russia since January 01, 2023 (Total = 597) - that's in less than 2months!
The cost is not mentioned but tanks and armored vehicles cost between $1-6 million!
When they get US Abrams (defeated in Saudi Arabia by the Houthis!) next year, each destroyed tank will cost them (US taxpayer) $10-12million!
https://www.moonofalabama.org/16i/ukart1.jpg
Wonderful stuff 'N' I will add the link!
I predict a lot of tomato plants will be growing this season.
Consider inflation at 10% will not end the system in 10 years. Hahahaha!
Looking around at several local shops yesterday, there is no shortage of tomatoes. Is it possible that there is actually a glut so 'they' are screaming shortage to get us to rush out and buy them? (OK, I've read about Moroccan and Spanish bad weather so I know it isn't true but I'm beginning to doubt anything and everything in the MSM these days)
Me too Greg - it's all crap from MSM. My local store says nothing to bother about - He is well stocked. The owner is a good friend promising to help us out if rationing/shortages really happen. He and his family have local farms - we are well set up in Bruton!
He says the supermarkets have been screwing the producers (as we know well) - holding payables for 120 days etc. This may well be a mini-revolt with the farmers losing it - only his thoughts though.
Those aren't tomatoes, they are some weird gmo lab grown plastic tasting nutrition less physop.
Like I typed, I predict people will start planting tomatoes, some are just more thick headed than others. Except for people living on the island that harbors a demanding city which garners ruthless international trade to feed itself. None of those types want to get their finger nails dirty.
LOL!